ken john boehner, the time he is running for reelection as a leader, can he say that i'm going to make a deal that will include big tax increases? >> that's a good question. i was informed recently of a conversation about a leading player on taxes who has a background on the democratic side. in the conversation, the republicans said democrats are going to have to cave on taxes because john boehner can't move his caucus before january 1, but the president can rollover before january 1 before he gets reelected, so that's what we'll have to happen. for many of us, we see this as a prescription to never get anywhere. the hope is that after the election, the discussion proceeds in such a fashion that there can be agreement in december. but i think the very point that you mentioned is one of the reasons why i believe it is more likely that we will get a deal in january rather than december for precisely the point you mentioned about the elections in the house. >> let's give you all an opportunity to ask questions remapped i should state it more clearly. the bottom line is what does it take t